Nice resume yourself, Dave!
It sounds like they have evolved their trade day.
They said that your group reported back that you would have liked some colour info, so they added that for us and it was very good session.
The time with Wayne in the paint area was fine, we could use any paint we wanted (I tried the Dead Flat and it doesnt seem to be a direct replacement for flat oil) and there was a bit of chat about the gloss and getting a number 10 finish and their floor paint. The brushes were Purdys this time.
Primers, they were openly saying they have no issue with Zinsser, they use their kit around the factory, but cant recommend it as they dont control the formulations. They also claim they aren’t all things to all people, which is fair enough. However, doesnt, as you say, answer the questions about what do we use then, if we want to be covered.
The 3 coat system is a constant in their range, one primer two tops, on walls it seems to be to achieve depth of colour, on woodwork the same, with a bit of problem-solving thrown in. Whether that is the best way to go on wall colours is debatable. On deep changes, an obliterating base coat is certainly an approach we would all take at times, but as an obligatory step on heavily pigmented superflat colour, their stance does seem a stretch.
If F&B dont provide a solution, the correct way to proceed is - dont use their product, but we know that presents an ongoing dilemma for the trade because your clients want F&B and you want to do a job with no comeback, so you try get around the shortcomings and then you are on your own if you use non F&B products…
When specifying systems you have to decide, is this contorted system one I want to be dealing with, isnt there a simpler one? Answer to that is yes there are better systems for wall paints, technically. But F&B sell their 3 coat look and so it goes on…,
About the chemist, I wonder if they gave him more free rein to chat this time round, and not be so coy about what they get up to?because the story highlights I came away with are: they were developing their range from 2006, so the implication is theirs is not exactly a knee jerk move away from oil, and have had a cross-linking primer since 2008 and have rigorously tested competing brands to assess where they are in the tech race, so to speak, and seem happy where they are at, technically.
That is a big leap from the story they told you! that their research is limited to emulating a couple of trade brands. There was a selection of competing brands’ attempts at colour matching, to demo the f&b colour story.
Pick the bones out of that